1 00:00:13,790 --> 00:00:09,509 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:20,390 --> 00:00:13,800 from Australia for science and reason 3 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:22,880 hello and welcome to the skeptic zone 4 00:00:37,460 --> 00:00:27,170 episode number 301 for the 27th of July 5 00:00:39,410 --> 00:00:37,470 2014 thank you canned applause from the 6 00:00:41,630 --> 00:00:39,420 amazing meeting in Las Vegas I'm still 7 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:41,640 coming down from it folks it was such a 8 00:00:46,729 --> 00:00:43,890 great time such a busy time it's such a 9 00:00:50,930 --> 00:00:46,739 wonderful time in fact we're gonna have 10 00:00:52,899 --> 00:00:50,940 some few last rounding off type 11 00:00:55,310 --> 00:00:52,909 interviews from the amazing meeting 12 00:00:57,289 --> 00:00:55,320 unfortunately I didn't get to her to do 13 00:00:59,479 --> 00:00:57,299 as many interviews as I'd hoped there I 14 00:01:00,770 --> 00:00:59,489 was pretty busy I wondered do interview 15 00:01:03,380 --> 00:01:00,780 this person and that person and this 16 00:01:05,630 --> 00:01:03,390 person and round the corner and you know 17 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:05,640 what I really needed main out there 18 00:01:10,399 --> 00:01:08,250 folks I really needed main out there he 19 00:01:11,719 --> 00:01:10,409 couldn't make it this year but it's 20 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:11,729 great when he was there a couple of 21 00:01:15,320 --> 00:01:12,930 years ago I sent him off at the 22 00:01:16,670 --> 00:01:15,330 microphone didn't see him for days and 23 00:01:20,679 --> 00:01:16,680 when he'd finished he had something like 24 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:20,689 40 interviews ah Maynard you're a wonder 25 00:01:23,660 --> 00:01:22,650 anyway coming up on this week's show 26 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:23,670 we're going to kick off with some 27 00:01:28,220 --> 00:01:25,530 interviews from the amazing meeting I 28 00:01:31,190 --> 00:01:28,230 managed to get anyway we've got Carl 29 00:01:33,770 --> 00:01:31,200 Sanders who does carbon dating comics 30 00:01:35,390 --> 00:01:33,780 we've got a wonderful lady called kathy 31 00:01:38,270 --> 00:01:35,400 smith who was just a sort of your 32 00:01:42,649 --> 00:01:38,280 everyday wonderful type skeptical person 33 00:01:46,190 --> 00:01:42,659 at damn so we chat to her and a a real 34 00:01:48,590 --> 00:01:46,200 character attempt spoon equine who's an 35 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:48,600 artist and uh has a blog called the mad 36 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:53,850 science writer and she does Oh artwork 37 00:01:59,149 --> 00:01:56,370 she draws pictures from the solar flare 38 00:02:01,580 --> 00:01:59,159 as the skeptics own solar flare 39 00:02:04,670 --> 00:02:01,590 adventure the people you meet folks to 40 00:02:07,990 --> 00:02:04,680 people you meet so one last taste of Tam 41 00:02:10,279 --> 00:02:08,000 um well I guess until next year 42 00:02:11,990 --> 00:02:10,289 following that we have a report a 43 00:02:15,110 --> 00:02:12,000 special report from our good friend Bob 44 00:02:17,630 --> 00:02:15,120 blaskowitz from the Houston cancer quack 45 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:17,640 website about the Brazil ski clinic and 46 00:02:23,509 --> 00:02:19,890 the latest updates and news on that 47 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:23,519 particular character I think Gila I 48 00:02:27,979 --> 00:02:25,290 think you'll find his report very 49 00:02:32,449 --> 00:02:27,989 interesting as always we have a week in 50 00:02:34,100 --> 00:02:32,459 science from ww RI a USDA you the Royal 51 00:02:35,540 --> 00:02:34,110 Institution of Australia hello 52 00:02:38,660 --> 00:02:35,550 all Willis I should come and visit you 53 00:02:41,150 --> 00:02:38,670 soon I hope who knows and then to round 54 00:02:44,900 --> 00:02:41,160 up the show speaking earlier of main IDs 55 00:02:47,090 --> 00:02:44,910 it's Maynard spooky action what would it 56 00:02:48,710 --> 00:02:47,100 interesting Maynard spooky action it is 57 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:48,720 maynards going to be talking to some 58 00:02:54,590 --> 00:02:52,490 pharmacists and a pharmacist student 59 00:02:57,620 --> 00:02:54,600 pharmacies pharmacist you know they're 60 00:02:59,750 --> 00:02:57,630 the sort of the frontline of our medical 61 00:03:01,280 --> 00:02:59,760 science in our community in many ways 62 00:03:03,290 --> 00:03:01,290 when people have an ailment they'll 63 00:03:05,300 --> 00:03:03,300 often go to the pharmacist before they 64 00:03:07,460 --> 00:03:05,310 go to the doctor now I must admit I've 65 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:07,470 had a bone to pick with many pharmacies 66 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:09,930 in this country over the years because 67 00:03:15,729 --> 00:03:12,690 sadly many chemist shops many many 68 00:03:21,260 --> 00:03:15,739 pharmacies well to be blunt sell 69 00:03:23,300 --> 00:03:21,270 quackery homeopathy um snoring rings 70 00:03:27,229 --> 00:03:23,310 that work on acupuncture points and this 71 00:03:30,470 --> 00:03:27,239 sort of stuff I even have bought magical 72 00:03:33,350 --> 00:03:30,480 power bands in pharmacies in the past in 73 00:03:36,229 --> 00:03:33,360 this country so I am not completely 74 00:03:37,970 --> 00:03:36,239 happy with what happens in pharmacies 75 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:37,980 I'll have to admit it nevertheless I 76 00:03:41,660 --> 00:03:39,330 know there are many pharmacies out there 77 00:03:44,810 --> 00:03:41,670 who do a great job and aren't very happy 78 00:03:48,199 --> 00:03:44,820 with the fact that them this quackery is 79 00:03:49,610 --> 00:03:48,209 being sold anyway Maynard gets the 80 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:49,620 lowdown on what it's like to be a 81 00:03:54,620 --> 00:03:53,130 pharmacist later on in the show now i 82 00:03:56,479 --> 00:03:54,630 must say a really big thank you to all 83 00:04:00,550 --> 00:03:56,489 those people out there who are tweeting 84 00:04:02,930 --> 00:04:00,560 and facebooking and blogging my 85 00:04:05,210 --> 00:04:02,940 documentary the vaccination chronicles 86 00:04:06,830 --> 00:04:05,220 which went out last week and there's 87 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:06,840 even an effort to get Bill Gates to 88 00:04:12,050 --> 00:04:09,570 tweet it and Stephen Fry oh that would 89 00:04:14,690 --> 00:04:12,060 be nice folks that would be nice I'm now 90 00:04:17,390 --> 00:04:14,700 working because of all the requests I'm 91 00:04:18,949 --> 00:04:17,400 now working on the DVD of the 92 00:04:21,050 --> 00:04:18,959 vaccination Chronicles which will have 93 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:21,060 extra features on an extended interviews 94 00:04:25,909 --> 00:04:22,530 the stuff that I couldn't quite fit into 95 00:04:29,570 --> 00:04:25,919 the documentary that will be available 96 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:29,580 eventually in Powell for the countries 97 00:04:34,130 --> 00:04:30,810 around the world that use the PAL system 98 00:04:36,590 --> 00:04:34,140 and in the ntsc version for North 99 00:04:38,540 --> 00:04:36,600 America it'll be region free of course 100 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:38,550 and when that comes out I'll only be 101 00:04:43,070 --> 00:04:40,650 selling that at a price which covers the 102 00:04:44,990 --> 00:04:43,080 cost of production and mailing this is 103 00:04:47,690 --> 00:04:45,000 not an exercise for me to make a profit 104 00:04:47,930 --> 00:04:47,700 the YouTube video is free to view of 105 00:04:50,090 --> 00:04:47,940 course 106 00:04:52,490 --> 00:04:50,100 well there's no ads on it you're free to 107 00:04:55,250 --> 00:04:52,500 copy it and download it and view it and 108 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:55,260 show it and look at it again whatever 109 00:04:59,650 --> 00:04:57,450 you want to do the idea is to get the 110 00:05:03,340 --> 00:04:59,660 word out about the importance of 111 00:05:05,630 --> 00:05:03,350 vaccinations and what it was like before 112 00:05:07,700 --> 00:05:05,640 when parents live with the very real 113 00:05:09,350 --> 00:05:07,710 fear that their babies and their 114 00:05:11,060 --> 00:05:09,360 children could succumb to these horrible 115 00:05:13,810 --> 00:05:11,070 diseases if you haven't seen the 116 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:13,820 documentary yeah way if you go to a 117 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:17,490 skeptic zone TV and scroll down you'll 118 00:05:20,810 --> 00:05:19,050 be able to see it there and i'll 119 00:05:23,750 --> 00:05:20,820 certainly be keeping you all updated on 120 00:05:25,970 --> 00:05:23,760 the progress of the the DVD i'm going to 121 00:05:27,950 --> 00:05:25,980 brush up my old DVD authoring skills 122 00:05:30,140 --> 00:05:27,960 I've authored quite a few dvds in my 123 00:05:34,190 --> 00:05:30,150 time and haven't done it for a little 124 00:05:36,770 --> 00:05:34,200 while but that's something i really look 125 00:05:38,180 --> 00:05:36,780 forward to getting that DVD out well 126 00:05:42,050 --> 00:05:38,190 that's enough for me i'm going to how a 127 00:05:46,550 --> 00:05:42,060 hello Fred it's Fred the cat no I missed 128 00:05:48,850 --> 00:05:46,560 you friend hello sweetie yeah he's lying 129 00:05:53,390 --> 00:05:48,860 on his favorite cushion next to me here 130 00:05:54,830 --> 00:05:53,400 how are you you all right no he likes a 131 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:54,840 scratch behind the ear don't they all 132 00:06:00,080 --> 00:05:57,930 don't they all Fred what do you think I 133 00:06:02,330 --> 00:06:00,090 should have this week hmm if I can run 134 00:06:03,380 --> 00:06:02,340 down to the fridge run downstairs and 135 00:06:06,350 --> 00:06:03,390 open the fridge what do you think I'll 136 00:06:10,280 --> 00:06:06,360 find I know what I'll find it's not the 137 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:10,290 fridge Fred no it's in a packet instant 138 00:06:16,700 --> 00:06:13,770 miso soup not bad not gonna have some of 139 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:16,710 that why i have 0 big yawn from Fred am 140 00:06:22,610 --> 00:06:19,890 i that interesting Fred mi know while 141 00:06:42,890 --> 00:06:22,620 I'm doing that I hope you enjoy the 142 00:06:48,809 --> 00:06:46,249 las vegas at night and we're outside the 143 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:48,819 south point casino and it's like we've 144 00:06:54,540 --> 00:06:51,610 walked into an oven i kid you not my 145 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:54,550 friends it's incredible the contrast 146 00:06:58,710 --> 00:06:57,130 that must be over I don't know it's 40 147 00:07:00,540 --> 00:06:58,720 plus degrees out here there's a hot air 148 00:07:02,010 --> 00:07:00,550 blowing on us Wow there is a hot air 149 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:02,020 blowing honest I think we're gonna have 150 00:07:08,010 --> 00:07:05,849 to stand over here no go back over here 151 00:07:10,230 --> 00:07:08,020 where's that hot air coming from the 152 00:07:13,890 --> 00:07:10,240 desert winds I think it's the desert 153 00:07:16,710 --> 00:07:13,900 winds will carry on last year at the 154 00:07:18,540 --> 00:07:16,720 amazing meeting I met a man who did the 155 00:07:21,270 --> 00:07:18,550 comic strip and does the comic strip 156 00:07:25,020 --> 00:07:21,280 carbon dating who are you why are you 157 00:07:27,659 --> 00:07:25,030 here hello Australia I am Kyle Sanders 158 00:07:29,850 --> 00:07:27,669 and I've launched the year ago and have 159 00:07:31,589 --> 00:07:29,860 come back this year to Tam I saw you at 160 00:07:34,050 --> 00:07:31,599 your table the carbon dating table very 161 00:07:38,820 --> 00:07:34,060 popular the comic strip what's the URL 162 00:07:40,890 --> 00:07:38,830 straightaway carbon comic com and it was 163 00:07:42,870 --> 00:07:40,900 gone extremely well since last year 164 00:07:44,730 --> 00:07:42,880 things have really picked up the comic 165 00:07:47,399 --> 00:07:44,740 strip is now in the American skeptical 166 00:07:48,930 --> 00:07:47,409 Inquirer magazine as well as full-page 167 00:07:51,089 --> 00:07:48,940 illustrations I do for a skeptic 168 00:07:53,249 --> 00:07:51,099 magazine that's fantastic and what's the 169 00:07:55,860 --> 00:07:53,259 basic philosophy on the carbon dating 170 00:07:58,620 --> 00:07:55,870 comic strip my philosophy is if you can 171 00:08:00,450 --> 00:07:58,630 make a friend laughs at an irrational 172 00:08:03,149 --> 00:08:00,460 idea maybe they won't take it so 173 00:08:04,529 --> 00:08:03,159 seriously in the future so the comic 174 00:08:06,749 --> 00:08:04,539 strip features a group of friends who 175 00:08:08,870 --> 00:08:06,759 all have their different irrational 176 00:08:12,870 --> 00:08:08,880 beliefs and it addresses them over time 177 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:12,880 Wow and you had some great news i saw 178 00:08:16,409 --> 00:08:14,770 yesterday oh it was the day i thought 179 00:08:18,390 --> 00:08:16,419 you know what all these days is sort of 180 00:08:21,270 --> 00:08:18,400 learned together yeah blended together 181 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:21,280 there was a big cheer went up from your 182 00:08:24,810 --> 00:08:22,930 table what was that all about yes our 183 00:08:27,719 --> 00:08:24,820 big disruptive cheer was because we 184 00:08:29,370 --> 00:08:27,729 launched a Kickstarter which would allow 185 00:08:32,279 --> 00:08:29,380 me to hire an artist to help with the 186 00:08:34,260 --> 00:08:32,289 project that artist would be able to put 187 00:08:36,930 --> 00:08:34,270 out a comic strip every day so we're 188 00:08:39,930 --> 00:08:36,940 very excited and our initial kick 189 00:08:42,029 --> 00:08:39,940 funding kick funding kick-starting kick 190 00:08:44,510 --> 00:08:42,039 slammer our original original goal was 191 00:08:47,060 --> 00:08:44,520 met in three days 192 00:08:49,100 --> 00:08:47,070 we have another 27 days to continue to 193 00:08:50,540 --> 00:08:49,110 raise money and put it into the project 194 00:08:52,430 --> 00:08:50,550 stick with me we're going to walk 195 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:52,440 through this double door here because 196 00:08:57,830 --> 00:08:55,370 the desert winds my friends are blowing 197 00:09:00,650 --> 00:08:57,840 was just sort of stepped into this aunty 198 00:09:04,180 --> 00:09:00,660 room here that's insane out there it is 199 00:09:06,350 --> 00:09:04,190 that's absolutely insane so how many 200 00:09:08,270 --> 00:09:06,360 carbon dating comic strips have you 201 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:08,280 created now oh there's been over a 202 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:10,290 hundred and fifteen over the last year I 203 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:13,770 do to a week to a week but that's quite 204 00:09:18,530 --> 00:09:16,770 something because if I don't know if our 205 00:09:20,990 --> 00:09:18,540 listeners have ever done this I've done 206 00:09:22,820 --> 00:09:21,000 it a few times I've actually written a 207 00:09:25,190 --> 00:09:22,830 comic strip through a magazine oh great 208 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:25,200 as it happens I don't profess to be 209 00:09:31,100 --> 00:09:27,930 great at it but I have done it and it's 210 00:09:33,740 --> 00:09:31,110 not that easy to come up with a four or 211 00:09:36,230 --> 00:09:33,750 five over what in your four panels I do 212 00:09:38,330 --> 00:09:36,240 three actually I went from more 23 but 213 00:09:40,580 --> 00:09:38,340 it's come up with with a funny and 214 00:09:42,530 --> 00:09:40,590 succinct point and to make a point with 215 00:09:44,930 --> 00:09:42,540 humor in three panels well then they's 216 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:44,940 right to roar it was perfect time yeah 217 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:47,970 but readers and the right it's not 218 00:09:52,370 --> 00:09:50,730 enough they really should have something 219 00:09:54,470 --> 00:09:52,380 every day if you're doing a comic strip 220 00:09:56,780 --> 00:09:54,480 and that's what I'm hoping to do so 221 00:09:58,970 --> 00:09:56,790 gives new respect when you read that the 222 00:10:01,100 --> 00:09:58,980 funnies in the newspaper it's amazing 223 00:10:03,770 --> 00:10:01,110 that they do that I mean these people 224 00:10:05,690 --> 00:10:03,780 you work very hard to not only come up 225 00:10:08,150 --> 00:10:05,700 with the creativity and the idea and the 226 00:10:10,250 --> 00:10:08,160 human but as you say the the artistic 227 00:10:13,130 --> 00:10:10,260 endeavor mm-hmm well I'm with an artist 228 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:13,140 then i can write full-time and I can you 229 00:10:17,060 --> 00:10:14,610 know script it out and she can take care 230 00:10:19,100 --> 00:10:17,070 of the actual pencil and ink characters 231 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:19,110 we've been working together so we'll 232 00:10:23,150 --> 00:10:21,810 have a great team and I'm excited that 233 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:23,160 the Kickstarter is already at a point 234 00:10:27,590 --> 00:10:24,450 that we know that's going to happen 235 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:27,600 that's fantastic I'm I you I wish I 236 00:10:30,470 --> 00:10:29,130 could do that for a living sometimes 237 00:10:32,420 --> 00:10:30,480 well I wish I could do it for a living 238 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:32,430 too but that's not I'm a pilot this is 239 00:10:35,890 --> 00:10:35,010 this is a hobby that I just AM evening 240 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:35,900 yeah 241 00:10:43,090 --> 00:10:41,050 expensive hobby right now but hopefully 242 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:43,100 hopefully with the Kickstarter can 243 00:10:48,550 --> 00:10:44,810 actually support itself that website 244 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:48,560 again carbon comic com carbon comic com 245 00:10:54,010 --> 00:10:51,530 have a look folks and now you've met the 246 00:11:00,490 --> 00:10:54,020 man behind carbon dating thank you very 247 00:11:04,790 --> 00:11:03,050 it's just one of those afternoons of the 248 00:11:06,170 --> 00:11:04,800 amazing meeting where people have just 249 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:06,180 gone in for a session there are still a 250 00:11:09,380 --> 00:11:07,410 lot of people out here in the hall 251 00:11:13,580 --> 00:11:09,390 walking by the Australian skeptics table 252 00:11:16,790 --> 00:11:13,590 and I'm with Kathy Smith hi it says yes 253 00:11:22,970 --> 00:11:16,800 I'm the Kathy Smith what does that Damon 254 00:11:26,780 --> 00:11:22,980 well it's a very common name oh and one 255 00:11:30,770 --> 00:11:26,790 of the workshops I was mentioned as an 256 00:11:33,410 --> 00:11:30,780 example as a blogger and that didn't 257 00:11:35,930 --> 00:11:33,420 want to blog you know and so she said my 258 00:11:38,060 --> 00:11:35,940 friend Kathy Smith you know and so 259 00:11:42,530 --> 00:11:38,070 that's the Kathy Smith she was referring 260 00:11:45,860 --> 00:11:42,540 to what's your blog I wrote a couple of 261 00:11:47,900 --> 00:11:45,870 articles on skeptic ink that the first 262 00:11:51,980 --> 00:11:47,910 one was on dietary supplements the 263 00:11:54,740 --> 00:11:51,990 second one was a flu vaccines and in the 264 00:11:58,160 --> 00:11:54,750 workplace for health care workers and 265 00:12:00,530 --> 00:11:58,170 the third one was about vitamins okay 266 00:12:02,810 --> 00:12:00,540 and I met you here last year at the 267 00:12:04,900 --> 00:12:02,820 amazing yes I seem to remember singing 268 00:12:08,930 --> 00:12:04,910 songs with you long into the night 269 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:08,940 natoma this is your second second tier 270 00:12:16,010 --> 00:12:11,130 second tab and what got you into 271 00:12:18,310 --> 00:12:16,020 skepticism oh wow um and y-you and then 272 00:12:23,130 --> 00:12:18,320 that road legend attempt right yeah 273 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:23,140 well I was studying homeopathy really 274 00:12:30,820 --> 00:12:28,610 wow yeah we moved up from Texas to 275 00:12:32,860 --> 00:12:30,830 Michigan uh-huh and I was four months 276 00:12:37,270 --> 00:12:32,870 pregnant so I didn't want to find a job 277 00:12:39,310 --> 00:12:37,280 so his work offered me money towards 278 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:39,320 either finding a job or towards 279 00:12:47,310 --> 00:12:43,490 education and you know I've had family 280 00:12:50,740 --> 00:12:47,320 being from Germany I've had family that 281 00:12:54,940 --> 00:12:50,750 always subscribed to homeopathy it's big 282 00:12:58,330 --> 00:12:54,950 over there yeah and as a pharmacist you 283 00:13:00,610 --> 00:12:58,340 know I was I was curious and the british 284 00:13:05,140 --> 00:13:00,620 institute of homeopathy offered the 285 00:13:09,250 --> 00:13:05,150 course especially for pharmacists and it 286 00:13:14,170 --> 00:13:09,260 was in the exact amount that the that my 287 00:13:16,180 --> 00:13:14,180 husband's job was offering oh there you 288 00:13:21,130 --> 00:13:16,190 go and i should definitely take this 289 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:21,140 course and yeah it was kind of strange 290 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:23,930 it was it didn't match anything that I 291 00:13:32,530 --> 00:13:30,530 learned in pharmacy school and and and 292 00:13:34,630 --> 00:13:32,540 yeah I was pending I guess I was pretty 293 00:13:38,890 --> 00:13:34,640 vulnerable you know that that a 294 00:13:41,050 --> 00:13:38,900 university would teach something I mean 295 00:13:43,300 --> 00:13:41,060 I if the university is teaching 296 00:13:48,790 --> 00:13:43,310 something I thought well it has to be 297 00:13:51,910 --> 00:13:48,800 true why would they right yeah but so I 298 00:13:53,689 --> 00:13:51,920 had I had a difficult time reconciling 299 00:13:57,859 --> 00:13:53,699 it 300 00:13:59,659 --> 00:13:57,869 so but so that was really something that 301 00:14:02,269 --> 00:13:59,669 sparked your interest in skepticism in 302 00:14:05,569 --> 00:14:02,279 general somehow I got led into 303 00:14:09,739 --> 00:14:05,579 skepticism I had a little iPod that my 304 00:14:12,769 --> 00:14:09,749 brother gave me and learned how to 305 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:12,779 download podcast and I wanted to educate 306 00:14:19,309 --> 00:14:16,290 myself and things I was interested in 307 00:14:23,090 --> 00:14:19,319 and I came across across a mark Chris 308 00:14:26,449 --> 00:14:23,100 lip and whose webcast and I was hooked 309 00:14:28,759 --> 00:14:26,459 you know it's a good yeah good podcast I 310 00:14:32,210 --> 00:14:28,769 was yeah and he mentioned skeptics guide 311 00:14:35,109 --> 00:14:32,220 to the universe yes yes and you know I 312 00:14:37,939 --> 00:14:35,119 feel like I'm part of their family yeah 313 00:14:39,590 --> 00:14:37,949 they're all they're all gone at they're 314 00:14:42,799 --> 00:14:39,600 usually on the table right right this 315 00:14:44,030 --> 00:14:42,809 yeah I think they've all even gone to 316 00:14:47,269 --> 00:14:44,040 hear the talk or they're recording 317 00:14:50,509 --> 00:14:47,279 something right now yeah so so yeah 318 00:14:53,419 --> 00:14:50,519 you're just one of the people that come 319 00:14:55,759 --> 00:14:53,429 along at am we met singing songs last 320 00:14:57,169 --> 00:14:55,769 year after over and it was really nice 321 00:14:59,299 --> 00:14:57,179 when I arrived and I was looking around 322 00:15:02,299 --> 00:14:59,309 and you turned up from there you were I 323 00:15:05,389 --> 00:15:02,309 was like okay I remember again that was 324 00:15:07,999 --> 00:15:05,399 amazed at ya remembered me it's the 325 00:15:10,609 --> 00:15:08,009 singing that didn't know okay you speak 326 00:15:14,599 --> 00:15:10,619 German IRA yeah I was blown away that 327 00:15:16,579 --> 00:15:14,609 you remembered that well Kathy it's 328 00:15:18,349 --> 00:15:16,589 really great to see you here at dam and 329 00:15:21,109 --> 00:15:18,359 I hope you have a wonderful rest of the 330 00:15:21,950 --> 00:15:21,119 convention oh I'm having a blast so nice 331 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:21,960 seeing you 332 00:15:33,350 --> 00:15:29,370 thank you if it isn't spoon equine hi 333 00:15:34,820 --> 00:15:33,360 hey Richard what's up oh I'm it's the 334 00:15:36,470 --> 00:15:34,830 last day of town well it's not it's 335 00:15:38,930 --> 00:15:36,480 actually it's the day after the last day 336 00:15:41,690 --> 00:15:38,940 of town is done here [\h__\h] Lamar the 337 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:41,700 morning after suitcases are packed 338 00:15:47,570 --> 00:15:43,530 people sitting around it's that sort of 339 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:47,580 a day now Spoony you are I know a 340 00:15:55,220 --> 00:15:50,370 particular fan of the the adventure 341 00:16:00,950 --> 00:15:55,230 solar flare I am yes I I think it is 342 00:16:04,220 --> 00:16:00,960 quite inventive yes in finding in the 343 00:16:05,780 --> 00:16:04,230 clever yes you and you did something 344 00:16:09,050 --> 00:16:05,790 really nice you actually drew a portrait 345 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:09,060 of me as Captain Saunders of the solar 346 00:16:13,790 --> 00:16:11,850 flare on the bridge in my uniform and 347 00:16:16,190 --> 00:16:13,800 it's really fantastic and I think you're 348 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:16,200 also working on another one where the 349 00:16:21,500 --> 00:16:17,970 solar flare crew are being attacked by 350 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:21,510 the flying monkeys yes I am um I I kind 351 00:16:26,660 --> 00:16:24,090 of me I had like a lot of chaotic things 352 00:16:29,060 --> 00:16:26,670 going on in my life and I and I'm like 353 00:16:31,340 --> 00:16:29,070 this close to being done but like I had 354 00:16:33,110 --> 00:16:31,350 it packed up and I couldn't finish it 355 00:16:34,910 --> 00:16:33,120 but I'll have I'll have to send it to 356 00:16:38,750 --> 00:16:34,920 you I haven't wanted to see this in 357 00:16:40,460 --> 00:16:38,760 person oh yes you seamless photos now 358 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:40,470 we're Spoony is actually showing you 359 00:16:44,750 --> 00:16:42,210 some of her current art collection you a 360 00:16:46,370 --> 00:16:44,760 speedy you've been coming to a cam now 361 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:46,380 for three years something like that yeah 362 00:16:51,770 --> 00:16:49,050 yeah and you keep coming back so i guess 363 00:16:54,170 --> 00:16:51,780 you enjoy it oh yes I I wouldn't miss it 364 00:16:56,450 --> 00:16:54,180 for the world i mean even though i was 365 00:16:58,430 --> 00:16:56,460 packing like I you know was going to 366 00:17:00,380 --> 00:16:58,440 court with the crazy landlords and 367 00:17:02,210 --> 00:17:00,390 packing up my stuff I didn't have a 368 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:02,220 place to live when I came here I was 369 00:17:07,220 --> 00:17:05,010 like but I'm still going to tan right 370 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:07,230 and now I at least I i also have a place 371 00:17:11,180 --> 00:17:08,850 to move into so that's that's cool so 372 00:17:14,990 --> 00:17:11,190 when when i get my art stuff i will 373 00:17:16,250 --> 00:17:15,000 unpack my drawings i see i well that's 374 00:17:18,220 --> 00:17:16,260 is something that's just something i'm 375 00:17:21,030 --> 00:17:18,230 glad you enjoyed cam again this year and 376 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:21,040 well I who knows maybe you'll see 377 00:17:28,620 --> 00:17:25,810 in 1 2015 I hope so I really do I'm 378 00:17:31,740 --> 00:17:28,630 planning on it now sprinting I think 379 00:17:34,020 --> 00:17:31,750 you've got a blog tension yes it's 380 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:34,030 called mad science writer so you can put 381 00:17:38,580 --> 00:17:35,890 your mad science writings and cooks down 382 00:17:40,230 --> 00:17:38,590 on your blog there I do although life 383 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:40,240 has been completely hectic I haven't 384 00:17:46,260 --> 00:17:42,610 been able to UM that much recently 385 00:17:49,170 --> 00:17:46,270 actually um but I'm fully planning on it 386 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:49,180 and in my new place hopefully I'm just 387 00:17:54,330 --> 00:17:52,210 able to get my brains together dr. Karl 388 00:17:56,940 --> 00:17:54,340 cruise in ski I was actually discussing 389 00:18:01,320 --> 00:17:56,950 this with him and he was encouraging me 390 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:01,330 to uh to uh well how good writing habits 391 00:18:07,710 --> 00:18:05,050 that's good on a lot of people were like 392 00:18:09,420 --> 00:18:07,720 running right all the time yeah when he 393 00:18:11,190 --> 00:18:09,430 was here dr. Carr was a really popular 394 00:18:13,020 --> 00:18:11,200 man and I was very pleased because a lot 395 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:13,030 of Americans don't know who he is but 396 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:17,650 after Camelot did he see everybody's 397 00:18:23,100 --> 00:18:20,650 running his influence yes he's off he's 398 00:18:26,220 --> 00:18:23,110 very awesome you know Carl was writing 399 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:26,230 all through tam and he wrote who this he 400 00:18:31,710 --> 00:18:28,570 like rewrote his talk or something while 401 00:18:33,540 --> 00:18:31,720 at tammer he did yes the sort of better 402 00:18:35,490 --> 00:18:33,550 sort of man he is and spinning this is a 403 00:18:38,970 --> 00:18:35,500 sort of person people meet when they 404 00:18:41,790 --> 00:18:38,980 come into the amazing media it is and I 405 00:18:57,690 --> 00:18:41,800 am also the kind of person people meet 406 00:18:59,100 --> 00:18:57,700 thanks Rudy and yes okay hi I'm Finn and 407 00:19:01,200 --> 00:18:59,110 I'm Rebecca and where the skipper 408 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:01,210 Collins skipper Collins is an Irish 409 00:19:04,830 --> 00:19:03,130 podcast by the Dublin skeptics society 410 00:19:06,780 --> 00:19:04,840 it takes a conversational reverent look 411 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:06,790 at science news and skeptical topics 412 00:19:24,700 --> 00:19:08,410 from an Irish perspective you can find 413 00:19:29,299 --> 00:19:27,320 this is Bob blaskowitz from the Houston 414 00:19:32,150 --> 00:19:29,309 cancer quack calm and the virtual 415 00:19:34,010 --> 00:19:32,160 skeptics I want to update skeptic zone 416 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:34,020 listeners to the state of the Burzynski 417 00:19:36,860 --> 00:19:35,970 effort in the United States is there 418 00:19:38,690 --> 00:19:36,870 have been a number of positive 419 00:19:40,850 --> 00:19:38,700 developments in the last few weeks that 420 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:40,860 suggests that the Texas Medical Board is 421 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:42,450 throwing everything that they have at 422 00:19:47,150 --> 00:19:44,490 the Burzynski clinic Stanislaw Burzynski 423 00:19:49,130 --> 00:19:47,160 as you may know is the Houston cancer 424 00:19:51,919 --> 00:19:49,140 quack who sells off-label urea cycle 425 00:19:53,390 --> 00:19:51,929 drugs as an alternative chemotherapy to 426 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:53,400 patients with the most intractable 427 00:19:58,820 --> 00:19:55,890 childhood brain stem tumors under the 428 00:20:00,440 --> 00:19:58,830 auspices of over 60 fifteen-year-old 429 00:20:02,299 --> 00:20:00,450 clinical trials that have never 430 00:20:04,460 --> 00:20:02,309 generated meaningful results and that 431 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:04,470 can cost patients upwards of thirty 432 00:20:08,299 --> 00:20:06,690 thousand dollars to begin patients were 433 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:08,309 not on his apparently unpublishable 434 00:20:12,620 --> 00:20:10,290 trials can enter Burzynski's private 435 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:12,630 practice where he prescribes cocktails 436 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:15,210 of low-dose chemotherapy and always a 437 00:20:19,610 --> 00:20:16,890 sodium than Oh butyrate which he 438 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:19,620 manufactures he does this on the basis 439 00:20:24,140 --> 00:20:21,330 of the equivalent of genetic palm 440 00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:24,150 reading he calls this personalized 441 00:20:30,110 --> 00:20:27,600 targeted gene therapy on the heels of 442 00:20:32,330 --> 00:20:30,120 the FDA's baffling decision to allow 443 00:20:34,370 --> 00:20:32,340 Burzynski's ridiculous trials to proceed 444 00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:34,380 three documents have been released by 445 00:20:38,900 --> 00:20:36,960 the Texas Medical Board the first is a 446 00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:38,910 ruling on the part of the board that 447 00:20:44,120 --> 00:20:41,370 Brezinski is employee dr. robert weaver 448 00:20:46,340 --> 00:20:44,130 had been disciplined Weaver as small 449 00:20:47,990 --> 00:20:46,350 potatoes in the Burzynski saga but what 450 00:20:50,299 --> 00:20:48,000 was most interesting to me about this 451 00:20:51,950 --> 00:20:50,309 ruling is how the Texas Medical Board 452 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:51,960 described the relationship between 453 00:20:58,669 --> 00:20:55,650 brzezinski Weaver and patient care first 454 00:21:01,130 --> 00:20:58,679 quote respondent Weaver and his employer 455 00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:01,140 dr. Stanislaw Burzynski implemented 456 00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:02,640 multiple therapies which had 457 00:21:06,830 --> 00:21:04,320 insufficient evidence of clinical 458 00:21:09,850 --> 00:21:06,840 efficacy and high probability of 459 00:21:12,500 --> 00:21:09,860 additive toxicities and second 460 00:21:14,660 --> 00:21:12,510 respondent admitted that he participated 461 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:14,670 in regular meetings with dr. Burzynski 462 00:21:19,250 --> 00:21:16,890 to discuss the patient's case and to 463 00:21:22,820 --> 00:21:19,260 formulate a treatment plan describing 464 00:21:24,830 --> 00:21:22,830 the process as a quote team effort the 465 00:21:26,419 --> 00:21:24,840 latter findings an important point given 466 00:21:27,410 --> 00:21:26,429 how Pierzynski slithered away from the 467 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:27,420 last round of 468 00:21:31,460 --> 00:21:29,730 medical board actions he claimed that he 469 00:21:33,770 --> 00:21:31,470 wasn't treating patients that his 470 00:21:36,050 --> 00:21:33,780 employees were essentially throwing them 471 00:21:37,910 --> 00:21:36,060 under the bus it seems to me that Weaver 472 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:37,920 has been cooperating and that I think 473 00:21:42,170 --> 00:21:39,810 bodes well for the board's upcoming 474 00:21:45,050 --> 00:21:42,180 actions against Brzezinski the next 475 00:21:47,030 --> 00:21:45,060 document dated june thirteenth outlines 476 00:21:48,590 --> 00:21:47,040 a series of charges leveled against 477 00:21:52,250 --> 00:21:48,600 another britain ski clinic employee 478 00:21:54,500 --> 00:21:52,260 doctors gin ye again we see charges 479 00:21:57,260 --> 00:21:54,510 related to a patient on the so-called 480 00:21:59,450 --> 00:21:57,270 targeted gene therapy track there are 481 00:22:01,760 --> 00:21:59,460 charges of ordering unnecessary tests 482 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:01,770 failure to provide medical rationales 483 00:22:06,020 --> 00:22:03,570 for the tests prescribing drugs with 484 00:22:08,090 --> 00:22:06,030 overlapping toxicity profiles again 485 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:08,100 without medical rationale and non 486 00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:10,650 therapeutical prescribing of the Brazil 487 00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:12,960 ski clinic signature drug sodium fennel 488 00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:15,840 beauty which as I said is manufactured 489 00:22:22,250 --> 00:22:18,480 by Yi's employer again this is another 490 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:22,260 good sign the last document was released 491 00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:24,810 during the amazing meeting and it was a 492 00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:27,360 humdinger here's how a thousand tam 493 00:22:37,009 --> 00:22:29,280 goers responded when George Rob 494 00:22:42,690 --> 00:22:40,289 cindy texas medical order at least two 495 00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:42,700 hundred two pages of charges against the 496 00:22:54,930 --> 00:22:52,080 houston cancer plan for next week as 497 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:54,940 outlined by liz szabo and USA Today this 498 00:22:59,609 --> 00:22:57,730 weekend the new charges apply to 29 499 00:23:01,080 --> 00:22:59,619 patients including charges that he 500 00:23:03,659 --> 00:23:01,090 deceived patients in a number of ways 501 00:23:05,700 --> 00:23:03,669 including and I quote by making patients 502 00:23:07,799 --> 00:23:05,710 pay a retainer before receiving any 503 00:23:10,590 --> 00:23:07,809 diagnosis or treatment by performing 504 00:23:12,779 --> 00:23:10,600 unnecessary tests and non therapeutic 505 00:23:15,779 --> 00:23:12,789 treatment with no potential to help them 506 00:23:17,759 --> 00:23:15,789 by imposing exorbitant charges for drugs 507 00:23:19,859 --> 00:23:17,769 and lab tests without telling patients 508 00:23:22,769 --> 00:23:19,869 that he also owned the pharmacy and the 509 00:23:24,659 --> 00:23:22,779 lab being used by allowing unlicensed 510 00:23:27,389 --> 00:23:24,669 staff to treat patients while describing 511 00:23:29,460 --> 00:23:27,399 the staff as doctors Burzynski also 512 00:23:31,710 --> 00:23:29,470 prescribed unapproved combinations of 513 00:23:34,109 --> 00:23:31,720 highly toxic chemotherapy in ways that 514 00:23:36,570 --> 00:23:34,119 caused harm to several patients end 515 00:23:37,950 --> 00:23:36,580 quote this is encouraging and I like to 516 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:37,960 think that the pressure that skeptics 517 00:23:41,129 --> 00:23:39,369 have put on the Medical Board has 518 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:41,139 contributed to the new charges and the 519 00:23:46,259 --> 00:23:43,690 vigor with which brzezinski is currently 520 00:23:47,999 --> 00:23:46,269 being pursued listeners in the states 521 00:23:50,129 --> 00:23:48,009 can contact the representatives again 522 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:50,139 and bring the new USA Today article to 523 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:51,970 their attention to demonstrate the 524 00:23:56,519 --> 00:23:54,970 gravity of this situation and please 525 00:23:58,830 --> 00:23:56,529 send any formal response you received 526 00:24:02,580 --> 00:23:58,840 from your representatives to the email 527 00:24:04,019 --> 00:24:02,590 address skeptics protect @ gmail.com the 528 00:24:05,940 --> 00:24:04,029 skeptics for the protection of cancer 529 00:24:08,940 --> 00:24:05,950 patients will forward those responses to 530 00:24:11,070 --> 00:24:08,950 Senator McCaskill office if you live in 531 00:24:12,749 --> 00:24:11,080 the state of Texas you should contact 532 00:24:14,909 --> 00:24:12,759 the governor's office about this 533 00:24:17,099 --> 00:24:14,919 Burzynski is well-connected politically 534 00:24:18,979 --> 00:24:17,109 and we just want to make sure the office 535 00:24:21,239 --> 00:24:18,989 knows that we're watching very closely 536 00:24:23,460 --> 00:24:21,249 thank you very much for all you've done 537 00:24:25,979 --> 00:24:23,470 and for all that you will do we are 538 00:24:27,810 --> 00:24:25,989 making a difference this is Bob 539 00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:27,820 blaskowitz from the Houston cancer quack 540 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:48,260 you 541 00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:51,630 hi I'm audit oh yeah I Kristen or we 542 00:24:55,140 --> 00:24:53,440 will tips advice on logic lifted off the 543 00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:55,150 skeptics ohm ohm skip the comedian or 544 00:24:59,010 --> 00:24:57,130 again the finish k blog gear upper bleph 545 00:25:00,180 --> 00:24:59,020 a podcast of ran against capsis driven 546 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:00,190 you looking for a method actor is mack 547 00:25:04,860 --> 00:25:02,530 center of a step sister n law or 548 00:25:06,659 --> 00:25:04,870 hypothesis the deep plane or kitchen and 549 00:25:08,010 --> 00:25:06,669 calendar or escape disc after death at 550 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:08,020 all i need you till on will escape this 551 00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:10,090 Gossage escapes his blog in a plethora d 552 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:11,440 Emily or the disc ateres heavy APIs 553 00:25:16,529 --> 00:25:13,090 guesses for domestic Kingdom or dare to 554 00:25:19,260 --> 00:25:16,539 yourself Skip's is top angle hello I'm 555 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:19,270 moderate and I'm Kristin and we want to 556 00:25:22,289 --> 00:25:20,650 let you know that there are lots of 557 00:25:24,210 --> 00:25:22,299 Norwegian skeptics for you to get to 558 00:25:26,130 --> 00:25:24,220 know their blogs and permits and a 559 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:26,140 podcast and the Norwegian skeptics also 560 00:25:29,549 --> 00:25:27,610 do paranormal tests and consumer 561 00:25:32,430 --> 00:25:29,559 activism to find out more Google 562 00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:32,440 Norwegian skeptics or visit skep season 563 00:25:45,790 --> 00:25:43,150 welcome to a week in science from our 564 00:25:48,670 --> 00:25:45,800 iOS bring you the science you need to 565 00:25:51,100 --> 00:25:48,680 know genetically modified organisms or 566 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:51,110 GMOs are rapidly becoming part of our 567 00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:57,050 food chain but are they safe GMOs are 568 00:26:01,630 --> 00:25:59,120 plants or animals that have had their 569 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:01,640 genetic code manipulated through genetic 570 00:26:07,870 --> 00:26:05,090 engineering a leading myth about GMOs is 571 00:26:10,510 --> 00:26:07,880 that rats fed on corn modified to be 572 00:26:12,970 --> 00:26:10,520 resistant to a weed killer go on to 573 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:12,980 develop cancer this stems from a paper 574 00:26:18,190 --> 00:26:15,770 published in 2012 by a French research 575 00:26:20,260 --> 00:26:18,200 group but the project was so poorly 576 00:26:22,780 --> 00:26:20,270 conducted including using rats 577 00:26:25,770 --> 00:26:22,790 predisposed to getting cancer that the 578 00:26:29,020 --> 00:26:25,780 journal retracted the paper in 2013 579 00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:29,030 furthermore no independent test has been 580 00:26:35,530 --> 00:26:31,510 able to replicate the study's findings 581 00:26:38,410 --> 00:26:35,540 an internet mean doing the rounds 582 00:26:40,990 --> 00:26:38,420 suggests that GMOs are responsible for 583 00:26:43,090 --> 00:26:41,000 killing off the humble honey bee while 584 00:26:44,740 --> 00:26:43,100 it's true that honey bee numbers have 585 00:26:47,650 --> 00:26:44,750 been in steep decline across the 586 00:26:50,620 --> 00:26:47,660 Americas and Europe this is not jus to 587 00:26:52,930 --> 00:26:50,630 GM crops the argument put forward is 588 00:26:55,810 --> 00:26:52,940 that some GMOs have a built-in 589 00:26:58,930 --> 00:26:55,820 insecticide called bt toxin that's 590 00:27:01,750 --> 00:26:58,940 killing the bees but bt toxin is 591 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:01,760 considered to be be safe because it only 592 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:05,210 kills insects that eat the plant not the 593 00:27:10,300 --> 00:27:07,730 bees which pollinate them in fact many 594 00:27:13,060 --> 00:27:10,310 beekeepers spray their hives with bt 595 00:27:16,450 --> 00:27:13,070 toxin to get rid of other pest species 596 00:27:20,060 --> 00:27:16,460 while leaving the bees alone now for 597 00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:20,070 fast facts about GMO safety 598 00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:24,240 a recent count reveals over 33,000 599 00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:26,480 peer-reviewed papers have been published 600 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:30,240 investigating the safety of GMOs to date 601 00:27:35,690 --> 00:27:32,850 no serious problem has been identified 602 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:35,700 it's a myth that oils sugars and other 603 00:27:40,940 --> 00:27:38,250 extracts from GMOs are somehow different 604 00:27:43,490 --> 00:27:40,950 from those derived from non-gmo crops 605 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:43,500 despite early predictions that genetic 606 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:45,810 engineering would produce uncontrollable 607 00:27:51,290 --> 00:27:48,570 monsters or dangerous side effects to 608 00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:51,300 date none have been found and fears that 609 00:27:56,540 --> 00:27:53,520 GMO traits can escape into world 610 00:27:59,450 --> 00:27:56,550 populations are unfounded after more 611 00:28:02,300 --> 00:27:59,460 than 20 years of GMO technology it's 612 00:28:05,030 --> 00:28:02,310 never happened we've only considered the 613 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:05,040 science and safety of GMOs and the 614 00:28:10,190 --> 00:28:08,010 science is in their safe but there are 615 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:10,200 other concerns about corporatization of 616 00:28:14,210 --> 00:28:12,570 the food supply and the political and 617 00:28:17,210 --> 00:28:14,220 social handling of the introduction of 618 00:28:19,940 --> 00:28:17,220 GMOs that do require further discussion 619 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:19,950 you want to know more about GMO safety 620 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:24,690 go to the rirs website RI au s org a you 621 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:28,170 follow us on twitter at our iOS and like 622 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:30,690 us on Facebook I'm Paul Willis will 623 00:28:37,330 --> 00:28:57,680 on Maynard com don't you hey you 624 00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:02,190 bunga bunga bunga bunga on today's show 625 00:29:07,030 --> 00:29:04,000 amazing facts and things you never knew 626 00:29:11,260 --> 00:29:07,040 with myself may not end to 627 00:29:13,300 --> 00:29:11,270 I thought we'd use the Avengers theme 628 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:13,310 from the movie because you'd be pretty 629 00:29:17,950 --> 00:29:15,650 safe that no one saw the Avengers movie 630 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:17,960 they gave me their stuff which the 631 00:29:23,650 --> 00:29:20,690 doctor described has the drug that 632 00:29:26,980 --> 00:29:23,660 killed Michael Jackson and I thought oh 633 00:29:29,290 --> 00:29:26,990 well that's company it was a party but I 634 00:29:31,420 --> 00:29:29,300 wasn't invited isn't modern medicine 635 00:29:33,910 --> 00:29:31,430 great Oh modern medicine is just the 636 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:33,920 bee's knees you think of people who say 637 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:35,810 yeah the great thing about this is 638 00:29:41,290 --> 00:29:37,490 they've been taking it for centuries 639 00:29:43,030 --> 00:29:41,300 like in 3000 BC people were taking this 640 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:43,040 for the common cold what they're saying 641 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:45,050 is hard to understand because they're 642 00:29:48,730 --> 00:29:46,850 speaking through a nose of snot that 643 00:30:04,030 --> 00:29:48,740 will remain for at least three week on 644 00:30:11,060 --> 00:30:04,040 Maynard calm don't you hey you here's 645 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:13,259 I'll start my first question I'm here 646 00:30:17,490 --> 00:30:15,370 with John Bell a pharmacist and keynote 647 00:30:18,930 --> 00:30:17,500 speaker here today what your history is 648 00:30:20,970 --> 00:30:18,940 a farmers as to how many years have you 649 00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:20,980 been we know giving out the tablets and 650 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:22,480 mixing stuff behind the screen well I 651 00:30:26,820 --> 00:30:24,850 I've been the pharmacist in community 652 00:30:30,659 --> 00:30:26,830 practice for over 40 years now manor 653 00:30:33,060 --> 00:30:30,669 sent a lot of changes of course and as 654 00:30:35,460 --> 00:30:33,070 you implied initially it was just giving 655 00:30:37,169 --> 00:30:35,470 the tablets it's still that is still 656 00:30:39,090 --> 00:30:37,179 dispensing and providing 657 00:30:41,249 --> 00:30:39,100 non-prescription medicines but these 658 00:30:43,740 --> 00:30:41,259 days very much more so it's providing 659 00:30:46,740 --> 00:30:43,750 advice to make sure the medication is 660 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:46,750 used in the best possible way and the 661 00:30:50,639 --> 00:30:48,250 side effects are minimized because we 662 00:30:52,529 --> 00:30:50,649 know with every medication there's an 663 00:30:54,419 --> 00:30:52,539 advantage in the disadvantage so we need 664 00:30:56,249 --> 00:30:54,429 to optimize the benefits minimize the 665 00:30:57,419 --> 00:30:56,259 risks yeah well usually if it hasn't 666 00:30:58,860 --> 00:30:57,429 gotten any side effects it hasn't 667 00:31:00,869 --> 00:30:58,870 actually got any effect that's 668 00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:00,879 absolutely right we know that everything 669 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:03,039 that works has the potential to do some 670 00:31:09,330 --> 00:31:06,370 damage and most of the time not much 671 00:31:11,789 --> 00:31:09,340 damage but but of course the more potent 672 00:31:13,950 --> 00:31:11,799 medicines the the the more likely they 673 00:31:15,749 --> 00:31:13,960 are to cause some problems if they're 674 00:31:18,060 --> 00:31:15,759 not used properly what if people 675 00:31:19,889 --> 00:31:18,070 sometimes get stuck into the alternative 676 00:31:21,869 --> 00:31:19,899 side of medicine and sometimes delay 677 00:31:23,249 --> 00:31:21,879 actual medicine sometimes that can 678 00:31:25,019 --> 00:31:23,259 happen they go I'll try this alternative 679 00:31:27,509 --> 00:31:25,029 treatment and that can actually not work 680 00:31:29,389 --> 00:31:27,519 or delay proper treatment hi I think 681 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:29,399 it's really important to know that 682 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:31,090 unfortunately there are medicines that 683 00:31:35,549 --> 00:31:33,730 work and those that don't and and that 684 00:31:39,389 --> 00:31:35,559 those that don't often fall into that 685 00:31:42,180 --> 00:31:39,399 alternative group and sometimes they do 686 00:31:44,669 --> 00:31:42,190 they don't do any harm but the harm they 687 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:44,679 can do of course as you've indicated is 688 00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:48,610 delaying good treatment so our 689 00:31:52,499 --> 00:31:50,799 recommendation of course is always to to 690 00:31:54,210 --> 00:31:52,509 get your pharmacist advice whether it's 691 00:31:55,860 --> 00:31:54,220 a prescription product or non 692 00:31:57,629 --> 00:31:55,870 prescription medicine to make sure that 693 00:32:00,060 --> 00:31:57,639 you're using something that really works 694 00:32:01,710 --> 00:32:00,070 for you mmm I'm just trying to think of 695 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:01,720 actual medicines over the years that 696 00:32:05,940 --> 00:32:03,850 have but there was a there was a weight 697 00:32:07,980 --> 00:32:05,950 loss pill that took fat out of your body 698 00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:07,990 if you years ago and I think it's still 699 00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:09,279 around i'm not going to mention it and 700 00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:11,529 it did have some nasty side effects that 701 00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:13,360 it's probably not prescribe very much 702 00:32:17,399 --> 00:32:14,559 anymore you know that I'm talking about 703 00:32:20,519 --> 00:32:17,409 I do indeed look look that the side 704 00:32:22,289 --> 00:32:20,529 effect was actually a an effect 705 00:32:23,420 --> 00:32:22,299 associated with its benefit as well it 706 00:32:25,310 --> 00:32:23,430 took that out but of 707 00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:25,320 has to go somewhere it certainly does 708 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:27,360 and and and that could lead to very 709 00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:29,250 nasty uncomfortable side effects that 710 00:32:34,010 --> 00:32:32,460 we're not not only uncomfortable but may 711 00:32:37,370 --> 00:32:34,020 be disconcerting for the people around 712 00:32:39,650 --> 00:32:37,380 you as well so yeah look at that 713 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:39,660 medication is still used and it was used 714 00:32:43,820 --> 00:32:41,850 appropriately it can work well but I 715 00:32:46,490 --> 00:32:43,830 think that that's the secret the things 716 00:32:49,130 --> 00:32:46,500 need to be used appropriately they need 717 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:49,140 to be used with due care and in many 718 00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:51,810 medications which when used properly it 719 00:32:56,510 --> 00:32:53,510 can be very effective if used 720 00:32:58,130 --> 00:32:56,520 inappropriately or tour too much not at 721 00:33:00,350 --> 00:32:58,140 the right time then they can certainly 722 00:33:02,060 --> 00:33:00,360 cause very nasty effects mmm look with 723 00:33:04,370 --> 00:33:02,070 all your use of pharmacy do you think 724 00:33:06,110 --> 00:33:04,380 we've become as a society a little bit 725 00:33:08,150 --> 00:33:06,120 expecting the magic bullet for 726 00:33:09,470 --> 00:33:08,160 everything and this has led to the over 727 00:33:11,300 --> 00:33:09,480 prescription of antibiotics which I'm 728 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:11,310 sure you you're across and that sort of 729 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:12,570 thing we think we expect pills to be 730 00:33:15,470 --> 00:33:14,010 able to cure everything now when in fact 731 00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:15,480 maybe we should get off our button do 732 00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:17,760 some exercise occasionally well we're 733 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:19,200 looking for the quick fix always aren't 734 00:33:24,740 --> 00:33:21,090 we and that and that really there is no 735 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:24,750 miracle cure exercise regular exercise 736 00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:27,090 good nutrition really important hygiene 737 00:33:33,260 --> 00:33:30,320 of course and you mentioned antibiotics 738 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:33,270 we have become all illicitly the bugs 739 00:33:37,820 --> 00:33:35,730 have become resistant to them and to a 740 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:37,830 large extent they don't work anymore for 741 00:33:42,290 --> 00:33:40,170 some of the serious conditions we need 742 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:42,300 to be very careful the way we use 743 00:33:46,670 --> 00:33:44,730 antibiotics particularly for things like 744 00:33:49,370 --> 00:33:46,680 upper respiratory tract infections i'm 745 00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:49,380 thinking of colds and flu my own by and 746 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:52,080 large antibiotics don't work there so 747 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:54,330 symptomatic treatment and 748 00:33:58,760 --> 00:33:57,450 anti-inflammatory lozenge may be a pain 749 00:34:00,800 --> 00:33:58,770 reliever perhaps a decongestant 750 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:00,810 depending on the symptoms but 751 00:34:04,490 --> 00:34:02,730 antibiotics are not effective and 752 00:34:06,970 --> 00:34:04,500 they're causing more problems by 753 00:34:12,530 --> 00:34:06,980 becoming by encouraging resistant 754 00:34:14,210 --> 00:34:12,540 organisms then their use so antibiotic 755 00:34:16,430 --> 00:34:14,220 stewardship as we call it really 756 00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:16,440 important if you've got a cold or the 757 00:34:21,110 --> 00:34:18,720 flu kadia pharmacist first get some 758 00:34:24,020 --> 00:34:21,120 symptomatic treatment antibiotics of no 759 00:34:27,530 --> 00:34:24,030 use but the good nutrition as we talked 760 00:34:28,730 --> 00:34:27,540 about earlier so good healthy balanced 761 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:28,740 diet plenty of fresh fruit and 762 00:34:34,250 --> 00:34:30,810 vegetables rest as appropriate 763 00:34:34,770 --> 00:34:34,260 reasonable exercise hygiene measures to 764 00:34:37,530 --> 00:34:34,780 prevent 765 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:37,540 the spread and far better than anything 766 00:34:40,919 --> 00:34:39,490 else we can use of course symptomatic 767 00:34:42,810 --> 00:34:40,929 treatment if you've got aches and pains 768 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:42,820 and pain relievers fine if you've got a 769 00:34:47,340 --> 00:34:44,890 blocked up knows something to open up 770 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:47,350 the airways if you've got an inflamed 771 00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:49,570 throat and the anti-inflammatory of 772 00:34:55,980 --> 00:34:52,480 lozenges maybe some aspirin gargled and 773 00:34:57,870 --> 00:34:55,990 swallowed those not so recent remedies 774 00:34:59,610 --> 00:34:57,880 are often really effective you're 775 00:35:01,260 --> 00:34:59,620 talking to students here master students 776 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:01,270 that are hoping to perhaps be on the 777 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:02,650 front line of the farmers who run their 778 00:35:06,180 --> 00:35:04,450 pharmacy one day so they've got to look 779 00:35:07,590 --> 00:35:06,190 after the financial thing they've got to 780 00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:07,600 look after the tricky thing of people 781 00:35:11,250 --> 00:35:09,760 trying to come in and maybe put a slider 782 00:35:13,020 --> 00:35:11,260 scription through from other more 783 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:13,030 addictive kind of things that sort of 784 00:35:16,890 --> 00:35:14,290 things they're really on the front line 785 00:35:18,420 --> 00:35:16,900 aren't they yes these students today 786 00:35:19,620 --> 00:35:18,430 that are coming out these master 787 00:35:22,110 --> 00:35:19,630 students from the University of 788 00:35:25,830 --> 00:35:22,120 Newcastle fantastic they're the cutting 789 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:25,840 edge not only of business management but 790 00:35:30,510 --> 00:35:28,330 clinical procedures as well and they 791 00:35:33,170 --> 00:35:30,520 will know exactly what's necessary then 792 00:35:36,090 --> 00:35:33,180 they know when medication is prescribed 793 00:35:38,670 --> 00:35:36,100 the benefits the risks how to minimize 794 00:35:40,740 --> 00:35:38,680 the risks they know how to optimize that 795 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:40,750 therapy they know when when you come in 796 00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:42,370 to them for non prescription medicine 797 00:35:46,530 --> 00:35:45,040 what to recommend for you given your 798 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:46,540 medical history of what you might be 799 00:35:52,020 --> 00:35:50,170 taking for maybe some chronic illness so 800 00:35:53,460 --> 00:35:52,030 you can rely on these young graduates 801 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:53,470 they're fantastic they look like a 802 00:35:56,670 --> 00:35:55,210 pretty smart bunch and what do you think 803 00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:56,680 is going to be the future breakthrough 804 00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:58,720 that we can expect within only ok let's 805 00:36:01,500 --> 00:36:00,160 give it a four-year span what do you 806 00:36:03,420 --> 00:36:01,510 think a bit next will it be another 807 00:36:05,850 --> 00:36:03,430 great antiviral come out can we expect 808 00:36:07,590 --> 00:36:05,860 more powerful antibiotics to help with 809 00:36:08,610 --> 00:36:07,600 the situation to existing of them or do 810 00:36:11,940 --> 00:36:08,620 you think it's going to be the next big 811 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:11,950 cure coming out pharmacologically well I 812 00:36:15,810 --> 00:36:13,930 i think the research that we're 813 00:36:17,940 --> 00:36:15,820 undertaking at the moment is is quite 814 00:36:20,580 --> 00:36:17,950 amazing we're hoping that there'll be 815 00:36:22,020 --> 00:36:20,590 new antivirus new antibiotics I think 816 00:36:23,970 --> 00:36:22,030 they'll be more than three or four years 817 00:36:27,300 --> 00:36:23,980 away they could be a decade or even a 818 00:36:29,970 --> 00:36:27,310 generation away but we will get in the 819 00:36:32,370 --> 00:36:29,980 in the very near future medications to 820 00:36:36,780 --> 00:36:32,380 treat long-term chronic illnesses like 821 00:36:38,460 --> 00:36:36,790 diabetes like epilepsy like a spa we've 822 00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:38,470 got some medications coming through the 823 00:36:42,780 --> 00:36:40,320 pipeline now that will revolutionize 824 00:36:45,460 --> 00:36:42,790 that the treatment of both type 1 and 825 00:36:47,620 --> 00:36:45,470 type 2 diabetes which is becoming 826 00:36:50,859 --> 00:36:47,630 of epidemic proportions in Australia and 827 00:36:53,410 --> 00:36:50,869 indeed around the world so prevention 828 00:36:54,940 --> 00:36:53,420 measures of course important but those 829 00:36:58,540 --> 00:36:54,950 medications that are coming through now 830 00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:58,550 will really help people to to have long 831 00:37:02,650 --> 00:37:01,280 quality lives as your 40 uses a 832 00:37:04,210 --> 00:37:02,660 pharmacist what do you reckon the 833 00:37:05,950 --> 00:37:04,220 placebo effect what do you think of that 834 00:37:07,870 --> 00:37:05,960 do you think it is really as powerful as 835 00:37:10,660 --> 00:37:07,880 people think the placebo effect is 836 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:10,670 enormously powerful and of course 837 00:37:16,839 --> 00:37:13,490 particularly with with conditions where 838 00:37:20,980 --> 00:37:16,849 the brain has involved mental illness 839 00:37:23,020 --> 00:37:20,990 depression anxiety but again more than 840 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:23,030 placebo is necessary for those chronic 841 00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:24,770 conditions as well but we shouldn't 842 00:37:29,650 --> 00:37:27,680 diminish the the the benefits of placebo 843 00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:29,660 that works pretty well too so if you're 844 00:37:32,830 --> 00:37:31,040 doing pretty good at school would you 845 00:37:34,270 --> 00:37:32,840 recommend the career as a pharmacist as 846 00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:34,280 someone who's been doing it for 40 years 847 00:37:39,310 --> 00:37:36,320 I think the opportunities for the future 848 00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:39,320 of Pharmacy are enormous great 849 00:37:46,210 --> 00:37:42,560 challenges of course in in in terms of 850 00:37:49,150 --> 00:37:46,220 business in community as well but 851 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:49,160 opportunities fantastic to in terms not 852 00:37:53,140 --> 00:37:51,170 only with the provision of medicines but 853 00:37:57,099 --> 00:37:53,150 the provision of advice monitoring the 854 00:37:59,170 --> 00:37:57,109 use of medicines being involved I guess 855 00:38:01,180 --> 00:37:59,180 in partnerships with doctors and other 856 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:01,190 health professionals in therapeutic 857 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:03,530 outcomes just tremendous opportunities 858 00:38:07,450 --> 00:38:05,930 and look at what position are you at the 859 00:38:08,829 --> 00:38:07,460 moment you actually an international 860 00:38:10,270 --> 00:38:08,839 pharmacist representative these days 861 00:38:12,250 --> 00:38:10,280 well I'm vice president of the 862 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:12,260 international pharmaceutical Federation 863 00:38:16,900 --> 00:38:14,330 which represent your your Big Pharma guy 864 00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:16,910 and yeah well well I'd like to think so 865 00:38:21,730 --> 00:38:19,599 maybe not all that big but look it's 866 00:38:23,950 --> 00:38:21,740 again international pharmacy is 867 00:38:26,620 --> 00:38:23,960 important to we remembers it over 3 868 00:38:28,210 --> 00:38:26,630 million pharmacist worldwide over a 869 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:28,220 hundred different pharmacy professional 870 00:38:32,859 --> 00:38:31,010 organizations and I might say though 871 00:38:34,510 --> 00:38:32,869 Australia's playing an enormous part i'm 872 00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:34,520 going to say look you have to say that 873 00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:36,320 how health system is probably better 874 00:38:40,750 --> 00:38:38,240 than any in the world really isn't it 875 00:38:42,460 --> 00:38:40,760 yeah our health system in Australia is 876 00:38:45,130 --> 00:38:42,470 certainly one of the best if not the 877 00:38:47,740 --> 00:38:45,140 best in the world we complain a bit we 878 00:38:50,380 --> 00:38:47,750 windsor little about the cost about the 879 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:50,390 the the inaccessibility of some 880 00:38:54,730 --> 00:38:52,130 medicines from time to time about 881 00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:54,740 getting to the doctor but accessibility 882 00:38:59,790 --> 00:38:57,970 to health in Australia is second to none 883 00:39:02,640 --> 00:38:59,800 about that and it's cost effective as 884 00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:02,650 well well I'm here with one of the 885 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:04,240 students what's your name and what do 886 00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,290 you actually where you at in your 887 00:39:10,830 --> 00:39:07,680 studies and her on my final year of 888 00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:10,840 post-grad pharmacy so I did an undergrad 889 00:39:15,810 --> 00:39:12,910 degree in medical science down in Sydney 890 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:15,820 so I'm originally from Sydney and yeah 891 00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:17,410 so this the finding of my two-year 892 00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:18,910 master's degree in pharmacy and 893 00:39:22,500 --> 00:39:20,800 University of Newcastle and why did you 894 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:22,510 choose pharmacy because so you obviously 895 00:39:26,070 --> 00:39:23,770 had pretty good marks you're pretty 896 00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:26,080 smart looking guy why pharmacy why not 897 00:39:31,890 --> 00:39:30,609 law you know ballet you know yeah I 898 00:39:35,070 --> 00:39:31,900 think ballet would see me but I think 899 00:39:37,710 --> 00:39:35,080 pharmacy is is a great profession you 900 00:39:40,020 --> 00:39:37,720 help the community you're in a wealth 901 00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:40,030 respected role in the community and you 902 00:39:43,050 --> 00:39:41,920 also have the opportunity to own your 903 00:39:44,609 --> 00:39:43,060 own business which is something I'm 904 00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:44,619 really really looking forward to which 905 00:39:46,859 --> 00:39:45,760 is what you've been getting tips on 906 00:39:48,810 --> 00:39:46,869 today from people that have run 907 00:39:50,490 --> 00:39:48,820 businesses for decades pharmacies for 908 00:39:51,930 --> 00:39:50,500 decades it's a very challenging the 909 00:39:53,790 --> 00:39:51,940 environment you're going into cos tryna 910 00:39:55,170 --> 00:39:53,800 sell anything to anyone now is hard even 911 00:39:57,660 --> 00:39:55,180 in a pharmacy what have you learned 912 00:40:01,260 --> 00:39:57,670 today yeah that's right times are tough 913 00:40:04,650 --> 00:40:01,270 in pharmacy there's a lot of ongoing 914 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:04,660 competition and push from supermarket 915 00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:06,490 chains like Coles and Woolies that have 916 00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:10,960 their say in the market and these these 917 00:40:16,500 --> 00:40:13,359 experienced pharmacist have told us what 918 00:40:18,210 --> 00:40:16,510 we need to do and how we can prevent 919 00:40:20,900 --> 00:40:18,220 that from happening in and basically had 920 00:40:23,820 --> 00:40:20,910 it at a run a successful business and 921 00:40:25,170 --> 00:40:23,830 yeah what do you like with people you 922 00:40:26,609 --> 00:40:25,180 had much experience with people come up 923 00:40:28,980 --> 00:40:26,619 to going oh I've got a bit of a sore 924 00:40:33,420 --> 00:40:28,990 joint here Andrew what do I do yeah that 925 00:40:34,980 --> 00:40:33,430 yeah to be part of someone's first point 926 00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:34,990 of contact when they have these sort of 927 00:40:42,210 --> 00:40:37,839 issues is definitely you know kind of 928 00:40:44,130 --> 00:40:42,220 rewarding in in a sense you know to be a 929 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:44,140 part of the you know that helping 930 00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:47,650 process is definitely something that you 931 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:51,250 know excites me and when you you know 932 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:54,010 solve their problems and I walkway over 933 00:40:58,800 --> 00:40:55,810 smile on their face yeah it's definitely 934 00:41:00,359 --> 00:40:58,810 rewarding look at as a layman I find a 935 00:41:02,339 --> 00:41:00,369 few drugs absolutely fascinating and not 936 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:02,349 just the recreational ones I find your 937 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:04,210 antivirals are fairly interesting as as 938 00:41:07,410 --> 00:41:05,890 a pharmacist and as you've learned over 939 00:41:08,849 --> 00:41:07,420 the years what's a drug that you go and 940 00:41:10,109 --> 00:41:08,859 we don't have to get into it brand name 941 00:41:11,730 --> 00:41:10,119 see what's going to go well 942 00:41:15,029 --> 00:41:11,740 that works it does that what's the one 943 00:41:18,809 --> 00:41:15,039 you get that's amazing also all sorts of 944 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:18,819 drugs am even the basic gum beta 945 00:41:24,809 --> 00:41:21,249 blockers for high blood pressure you 946 00:41:28,349 --> 00:41:24,819 know it's just a common disease and the 947 00:41:31,289 --> 00:41:28,359 fact that a simple drug can can help 948 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:31,299 lower blood pressure significantly just 949 00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:33,130 just so you know amazes me and there's 950 00:41:35,999 --> 00:41:34,480 and that that's one of the basic ones 951 00:41:37,650 --> 00:41:36,009 there's all sorts of different 952 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:37,660 medications all sorts of illnesses 953 00:41:41,609 --> 00:41:39,970 nervous it looked in you do just 954 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:41,619 learning something at this stage every 955 00:41:45,539 --> 00:41:43,690 day that's amazing that's right every 956 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:45,549 day you learn something new every every 957 00:41:49,499 --> 00:41:48,130 day you get fascinated and that's one of 958 00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:49,509 the best things about it then there's no 959 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:52,089 boring day it's always interesting and 960 00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:54,490 yeah something I really enjoy look I can 961 00:41:57,059 --> 00:41:55,599 see you getting out into your community 962 00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:57,069 they were just having a little small 963 00:42:00,660 --> 00:41:58,720 pharmacy they're all you want to go big 964 00:42:02,730 --> 00:42:00,670 like mr. Piggott over there no I think I 965 00:42:05,009 --> 00:42:02,740 definitely like the idea of a small a 966 00:42:08,099 --> 00:42:05,019 small pharmacy just one that the locals 967 00:42:10,289 --> 00:42:08,109 on all know me and yeah they're 968 00:42:11,489 --> 00:42:10,299 definitely what I'm on my long term goal 969 00:42:13,289 --> 00:42:11,499 that you know Vaughn something 970 00:42:15,539 --> 00:42:13,299 troublemakers coming gate on your bike 971 00:42:18,059 --> 00:42:15,549 guys yep that's it that's it you know no 972 00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:18,069 job make us a my pharmacy look thank you 973 00:42:25,380 --> 00:42:22,480 Andrew thank you very much you might not 974 00:42:27,630 --> 00:42:25,390 be able to hear the quaint quacking of 975 00:42:29,370 --> 00:42:27,640 ducks in the background there and I with 976 00:42:31,019 --> 00:42:29,380 someone who you might have seen his name 977 00:42:32,759 --> 00:42:31,029 on the side of a few chemist shops in 978 00:42:34,829 --> 00:42:32,769 your time it's crispy get hi Chris how I 979 00:42:37,049 --> 00:42:34,839 made a good morning to you how many 980 00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:37,059 years have you been a pharmacist oh let 981 00:42:42,299 --> 00:42:39,730 me think quickly let's say 46 years of 982 00:42:44,370 --> 00:42:42,309 pharmacists why did you decide to get 983 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:44,380 was it a master or battle what did you 984 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:46,210 get back then was a diploma a bachelor's 985 00:42:49,470 --> 00:42:47,650 ordered this are you over there soul 986 00:42:51,479 --> 00:42:49,480 some aspirin what did they do back 46 987 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:51,489 years ago I was in the first cohort of a 988 00:42:55,049 --> 00:42:52,930 bachelor of pharmacy at Sydney 989 00:42:57,809 --> 00:42:55,059 University my parents and grandparents 990 00:42:59,970 --> 00:42:57,819 were publicans and really I think that 991 00:43:01,259 --> 00:42:59,980 was a great training ground for you know 992 00:43:03,089 --> 00:43:01,269 we still had a counter and I served 993 00:43:04,229 --> 00:43:03,099 alcohol you thought you oh yeah you 994 00:43:06,180 --> 00:43:04,239 thought people are going to need a lot 995 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:06,190 of aspirin from what I've seen yes 996 00:43:09,329 --> 00:43:07,690 that's right so you're making up stuff 997 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:09,339 behind the counter lot in those days 998 00:43:14,220 --> 00:43:11,650 very much so that's a good question we 999 00:43:15,809 --> 00:43:14,230 made probably I'd say fifty percent of 1000 00:43:17,970 --> 00:43:15,819 all of our prescriptions were 1001 00:43:20,039 --> 00:43:17,980 extemporaneously or handmade in those 1002 00:43:22,049 --> 00:43:20,049 days they'll have slept that stuff like 1003 00:43:23,940 --> 00:43:22,059 lignum or the opiate that was that 1004 00:43:26,130 --> 00:43:23,950 available that it was in the early 1005 00:43:29,630 --> 00:43:26,140 as the opiates were made in mixtures for 1006 00:43:32,310 --> 00:43:29,640 people that had severe pain or you know 1007 00:43:34,770 --> 00:43:32,320 chronic injuries with a lot of pain 1008 00:43:36,750 --> 00:43:34,780 opiates were commonly used and these 1009 00:43:39,180 --> 00:43:36,760 days would a chemist mix up anything 1010 00:43:43,140 --> 00:43:39,190 these days yes they still make it up and 1011 00:43:46,740 --> 00:43:43,150 but very very few so maybe one or two or 1012 00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:46,750 three times a day however we still have 1013 00:43:50,970 --> 00:43:48,640 to make liquid antibiotics every day 1014 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:50,980 probably ten a day or 20 a day for every 1015 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:53,290 young child needing a penicillin of 1016 00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:56,050 forms there are also specialist 1017 00:44:00,020 --> 00:43:58,240 compounding pharmacists that you'll see 1018 00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:00,030 in the community who are doing 1019 00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:04,240 enormously intricate technical work ok 1020 00:44:08,310 --> 00:44:06,400 Wow and what's your personal view on 1021 00:44:10,590 --> 00:44:08,320 homeopathy let's ask a ruler 1022 00:44:13,740 --> 00:44:10,600 controversial one there well homeopathy 1023 00:44:15,810 --> 00:44:13,750 is III think it stood at least it's safe 1024 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:15,820 Maynard that's true in Europe do you 1025 00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:17,890 know it's massively popular and it was 1026 00:44:22,530 --> 00:44:18,730 that you're going to do is you're 1027 00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:22,540 hydrating something yes and and I think 1028 00:44:28,170 --> 00:44:26,110 we're in an area where people often like 1029 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:28,180 something very safe for children's usage 1030 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:31,570 and homeopathy is not something that we 1031 00:44:36,750 --> 00:44:34,690 teach at University no no exactly the 1032 00:44:38,910 --> 00:44:36,760 opposite end of in fact which is why 1033 00:44:41,550 --> 00:44:38,920 we're here today you are teaching some 1034 00:44:43,530 --> 00:44:41,560 actual active compounds that are in some 1035 00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:43,540 of the the pharmaceutical things that we 1036 00:44:48,330 --> 00:44:46,000 do at the Newcastle wetlands and are you 1037 00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:48,340 showing what plants are being used in 1038 00:44:53,100 --> 00:44:50,560 pharmacology we've got a doctor who's 1039 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:53,110 taking them around the the wetlands 1040 00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:54,610 first of all to show off this beautiful 1041 00:44:58,740 --> 00:44:57,610 unique site that Newcastle has and he's 1042 00:45:00,540 --> 00:44:58,750 showing them plants that were 1043 00:45:04,020 --> 00:45:00,550 traditionally used by the aboriginals 1044 00:45:06,180 --> 00:45:04,030 the early colonialists he's showing them 1045 00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:06,190 plants that are safe to ingest and 1046 00:45:10,770 --> 00:45:08,710 plants that are dangerous to ingest but 1047 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:10,780 our University Maynard is very much 1048 00:45:17,010 --> 00:45:15,370 based on actual evidence based medicines 1049 00:45:19,470 --> 00:45:17,020 and that's what we're doing is we're 1050 00:45:22,170 --> 00:45:19,480 bringing top community pharmacists 1051 00:45:25,130 --> 00:45:22,180 experienced men and women to speak to 1052 00:45:27,780 --> 00:45:25,140 the pharmacists in a very small group em 1053 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:27,790 into enterprise so we've got one 1054 00:45:31,830 --> 00:45:29,770 pharmacist speaking with four students 1055 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:31,840 and we're helping them understand the 1056 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:34,090 commercial business side of this 1057 00:45:36,700 --> 00:45:35,890 profession it's always been a duopoly 1058 00:45:38,650 --> 00:45:36,710 it's all 1059 00:45:41,170 --> 00:45:38,660 had to have a commercial side to it as 1060 00:45:42,579 --> 00:45:41,180 well as the professional side to it mr. 1061 00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:42,589 guy I always get concerned when I go 1062 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:44,480 into a pharmacy and there are too many 1063 00:45:47,740 --> 00:45:46,010 other things to buy their other than 1064 00:45:48,970 --> 00:45:47,750 pharmaceutical products and I understand 1065 00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:48,980 as a business you've got to have 1066 00:45:52,839 --> 00:45:50,720 sundries or whatever you might call them 1067 00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:52,849 in the shop but it has changed a lot 1068 00:45:56,260 --> 00:45:54,560 over the years hasn't it it has changed 1069 00:45:58,750 --> 00:45:56,270 but think of us like a first-aid station 1070 00:46:00,730 --> 00:45:58,760 so people can come into our pharmacy 1071 00:46:03,730 --> 00:46:00,740 there's no waiting time there's no 1072 00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:03,740 charge people all my life people have 1073 00:46:07,780 --> 00:46:05,839 come in and said mr. Piggott you know is 1074 00:46:11,020 --> 00:46:07,790 this is this dangerous what's this on my 1075 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:11,030 son's leg is this head lice in a little 1076 00:46:14,890 --> 00:46:12,770 questions that the public just want an 1077 00:46:16,930 --> 00:46:14,900 answer and I can say you should take 1078 00:46:18,910 --> 00:46:16,940 your child to the doctor you should go 1079 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:18,920 to the doctor and there's been a few 1080 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:21,650 rare instances which had been quite had 1081 00:46:26,109 --> 00:46:24,050 a huge impact on my life where I've got 1082 00:46:27,910 --> 00:46:26,119 people to hospital or I've got them into 1083 00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:27,920 a doctors surgery when they've been told 1084 00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:30,560 that the doctor was booked out but I've 1085 00:46:35,470 --> 00:46:32,720 I have detected the fact that this was 1086 00:46:37,810 --> 00:46:35,480 an emergency pharmacists do this every 1087 00:46:39,609 --> 00:46:37,820 day may not every day of their life and 1088 00:46:41,710 --> 00:46:39,619 and these ones that are being trained up 1089 00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:41,720 here they are final year students at 1090 00:46:45,220 --> 00:46:43,250 Newcastle but you said there master 1091 00:46:47,050 --> 00:46:45,230 students what's going on there well we 1092 00:46:48,700 --> 00:46:47,060 have a master's program and the 1093 00:46:50,020 --> 00:46:48,710 pharmacists of the other and all the 1094 00:46:53,020 --> 00:46:50,030 people about it should be very proud 1095 00:46:55,060 --> 00:46:53,030 that we we teach pharmacy in the Hunter 1096 00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:55,070 Valley at the University of Newcastle 1097 00:46:58,240 --> 00:46:56,810 will cause the medical school there has 1098 00:47:00,579 --> 00:46:58,250 had an outstanding reputation for 1099 00:47:03,970 --> 00:47:00,589 decades and I hope that we will too this 1100 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:03,980 is our 10th year but now we're changing 1101 00:47:09,130 --> 00:47:06,290 to a bachelor program which will be four 1102 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:09,140 years and this will allow our bright 1103 00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:11,210 young kids from all of the high schools 1104 00:47:16,300 --> 00:47:13,760 from tamworth down to to the Central 1105 00:47:18,339 --> 00:47:16,310 Coast up to graft and we hope that they 1106 00:47:20,620 --> 00:47:18,349 will channel themselves into Newcastle 1107 00:47:22,510 --> 00:47:20,630 University this is a great i call it a 1108 00:47:24,849 --> 00:47:22,520 little school of pharmacy but it's a 1109 00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:24,859 great little school of pharmacy now what 1110 00:47:27,790 --> 00:47:26,089 sort of things they're learning over 1111 00:47:29,710 --> 00:47:27,800 there from the local experts what sort 1112 00:47:31,540 --> 00:47:29,720 of plants have we got around here that 1113 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:31,550 are used in certain medications now are 1114 00:47:35,050 --> 00:47:33,530 there any most of most of what they're 1115 00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:35,060 learning if I can just correct you on 1116 00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:37,520 this is business skills they're learning 1117 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:40,880 from experienced pharmacist how they can 1118 00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:44,210 find a job make a job and make 1119 00:47:48,580 --> 00:47:46,400 themselves useful in the community so 1120 00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:48,590 some of it is communication that's 1121 00:47:53,980 --> 00:47:51,200 extremely important people have got to 1122 00:47:56,290 --> 00:47:53,990 know a pharmacist job every day is 1123 00:47:59,410 --> 00:47:56,300 communicating with young children 1124 00:48:01,000 --> 00:47:59,420 elderly people sick people people who 1125 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:01,010 want to stay well okay and you're trying 1126 00:48:06,190 --> 00:48:03,050 to run a business too and any kind of 1127 00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:06,200 retail is difficult in 2014 it's really 1128 00:48:10,890 --> 00:48:08,720 difficult it is and that that's the 1129 00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:10,900 great advantage of having a dozen 1130 00:48:15,700 --> 00:48:13,760 experienced professionals here taking 1131 00:48:18,670 --> 00:48:15,710 them through the challenges that they've 1132 00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:18,680 had in their life and passing it on to 1133 00:48:42,219 --> 00:48:21,440 these younger students so that they're 1134 00:48:46,429 --> 00:48:44,539 astronomy cast who takes a fact space 1135 00:48:48,349 --> 00:48:46,439 journey through the cosmos as it offers 1136 00:48:51,019 --> 00:48:48,359 listeners weekly discussions on 1137 00:48:53,959 --> 00:48:51,029 astronomical topics ranging from planets 1138 00:48:56,389 --> 00:48:53,969 to cosmology hosted by Fraser Cain of 1139 00:48:57,229 --> 00:48:56,399 Universe Today and myself dr. Pamela gay 1140 00:48:59,899 --> 00:48:57,239 of southern illinois university 1141 00:49:01,789 --> 00:48:59,909 edwardsville this show brings the 1142 00:49:04,219 --> 00:49:01,799 questions of an avid astronomy lover 1143 00:49:06,319 --> 00:49:04,229 directly to an astronomer together 1144 00:49:07,849 --> 00:49:06,329 Fraser and I explore what is known and 1145 00:49:10,609 --> 00:49:07,859 being discovered about the universe 1146 00:49:12,709 --> 00:49:10,619 around us join us each week as we take a 1147 00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:12,719 fact space journey through the cosmos at 1148 00:49:30,650 --> 00:49:28,820 thank you for listening to the skeptic 1149 00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:30,660 zone and thank you once again those 1150 00:49:34,310 --> 00:49:32,160 wonderful people who came up to see me 1151 00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:34,320 at the amazing meeting in Las Vegas you 1152 00:49:37,820 --> 00:49:35,910 know folks add people bring me root beer 1153 00:49:41,060 --> 00:49:37,830 which I love people brought some hot 1154 00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:41,070 sauce and lovely hot chili sauce two 1155 00:49:45,050 --> 00:49:42,720 bottles in fact one for me and one for 1156 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:45,060 dr. Richie I must get dr. Ishi her hot 1157 00:49:51,890 --> 00:49:48,570 chili sauce soon I had people bring me 1158 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:51,900 candy wow what what a wonderful bunch 1159 00:49:57,890 --> 00:49:53,610 they are at the amazing meeting looking 1160 00:50:00,560 --> 00:49:57,900 forward to the amazing meeting in 2015 1161 00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:00,570 and I'm looking forward to the 1162 00:50:03,710 --> 00:50:02,130 Australian skeptics National Convention 1163 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:03,720 featuring the skeptics guide to the 1164 00:50:09,290 --> 00:50:07,410 universe dr. Cole patina aren't dick 1165 00:50:11,180 --> 00:50:09,300 smith lots of other people dr. rachey 1166 00:50:13,850 --> 00:50:11,190 speaking there of course and that's 1167 00:50:16,970 --> 00:50:13,860 coming up in November late november this 1168 00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:16,980 year in sydney visit convention dot 1169 00:50:24,290 --> 00:50:20,250 skeptics com da day you for more 1170 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:24,300 information and to buy your tickets wow 1171 00:50:28,310 --> 00:50:26,130 I can't wait to see all those people at 1172 00:50:30,260 --> 00:50:28,320 the Australian skeptics national 1173 00:50:34,970 --> 00:50:30,270 convention but for this week this is 1174 00:50:37,580 --> 00:50:34,980 Richard Saunders and fed the cat it was 1175 00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:37,590 half asleep hello friend signing off 1176 00:50:45,260 --> 00:50:42,960 from Sydney Australia you've been 1177 00:50:49,820 --> 00:50:45,270 listening to the skeptic zone visit our 1178 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:49,830 website at wwc a petting zoo TV for 1179 00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:52,290 comments contacts and extra video 1180 00:50:55,200 --> 00:51:06,109 skin